Cooke E. Baker PK Appeal

[Waffels]

IC Character's name & rank: DAF-Fuhrer Cooke E. Baker

Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:65488

Staff member who issued the PK (if you know): Denning

Your Reason for being PK'd: Dirt PK

Why should you be un-PK'd?: I have sent Peanut a video, as well as Denning, of the initial kidnapping of DAF-Fuhrer Cooke E. Baker. Such is against the rules, to go in front of the bank vendors and kidnap INSIDE the bank. An arrest is a different story, but Thomas Shelby and his goons are not government officials. I will take the PK if it makes them all fugitives of the law, since running by server logic, PUBLICLY ADVERTISING THAT YOU WILL BOMB SOMEONE'S PROPERTY WITH A K7 EXPLOSIVE DEVICE is grounds for an arrest on suspicion of conspiracy to terrorism.

Any Other Info?:
I was being merciful to him because I knew he was high potential, and I gave him an hour to pack it up so he didn't have to get put into court and such. However, I needed to shut his business down so that he didn't give the DAF a bad name. DAF-Fuhrer helped me to realize actual ingame consequences, and I didn't want to get screwed over cause Thomas Shelby of the Pee Key Bluoynduhz wanted to go and be the most vain tough guy in Berlin.

I've been told that I was soft PK'd over OOC reasons (dancing before pulling out my shotgun to show "no value for my life", which does not HAVE to get me PK'd, I'm sure it explicity states that if I break FearRP AND die, then I'm PK'd). My video is valid, my reasoning is also valid, according to what I've been told, but I've also been told I collectively broke so many rules (I've asked for many clips of these instances) that I just had to get soft PK'd.

Keep in mind, the only thing the soft PK does for me is take away the only government responsibility I had, and therefore the only motive for me not to act criminally, to be careful and to take care of things; I had the most PAPERWORK job in Berlin. DAF-Fuhrer. I enjoyed it, it was calming in comparison to the civilian life I had led, and I got to do a lot of things for people, legality wise and business wise. I was on the way to getting the DAF a detainment permit, but then I was PK'd.

Denning, I can control myself. I will wear whatever uniform I must. I just want back what I lost, because that was going to be my turning point, and one of the only chances I had to do something ICly positive for the server. I've exposed many glitches and many exploits for you and the dev team to patch up, but I've only been tedious as a character. This was my chance, but if you accept the PK appeal, then it WILL be my chance, and I can become more valuable than some glorified civilian with throat cancer, working as a spy for the american government.

Don't break Ma Baker's heart, but if you do, I still understand the degree of mercy this is in comparison to a ban or revoking of powers. It would just really suck to get PK'd for OOC reasons. If you guys have any problem with me, that ever needs addressing, I'm literally right there. DMs open, especially to staff. You guys run the server, and I'm NOT trying to put burden on you, but if you stay silent about the problems I make, I'll remain oblivious until it's too late.
I have sent Peanut a video, as well as Denning, of the initial kidnapping of DAF-Fuhrer Cooke E. Baker. Such is against the rules, to go in front of the bank vendors and kidnap INSIDE the bank. An arrest is a different story, but Thomas Shelby and his goons are not government officials. I will take the PK if it makes them all fugitives of the law, since running by server logic, PUBLICLY ADVERTISING THAT YOU WILL BOMB SOMEONE'S PROPERTY WITH A K7 EXPLOSIVE DEVICE is grounds for an arrest on suspicion of conspiracy to terrorism.

Anyways, onto the actual appeal.
These men have taken me from in front of the bank vendors, as I was checking my stocks. They took me upstairs to meet Thomas Shelby, and shot me then and there.
I remember explicitly there being rules against mugging or kidnapping in front of vendors. This was not a bank raid, there was no /event during this situation.
Thomas Shelby is Jam, a member of the development team. I would understand him getting special treatment, but the fact that I got "dirt PK'd" over the following rule:

• Being murdered for attempting to use/actively using dirt on another individual [PK]

I find it ironic, considering I wasn't even TRYING, let alone actively using dirt on him. My threat was made to arrest him for running the shop illegally if he hadn't shut down within an hour, because he was being incredibly disorderly towards other individuals. I listed nothing regarding what he actually does, actively; SHANKING, SHOOTING, ACTIVELY THREATENING BOMB ATTACKS, AIMING WEAPONS AT THE DAF-FUHRER.

I remember Denning being so strict, so tight on restrictions. No exceptions, I had my flags taken away for killing a minge with a prop, then fighting off a minge army with a prop mace. I got PUNISHED, a NON STAFF MEMBER, for having tried to save the server's integrity from these minges. They are some of the reason I was last banned. JAM, otherwise known as THOMAS SHELBY, gets to spawn in machine guns at spawn (I have a clip of this, request if you must). And yet, these minges (who are the reason I got in trouble) are consequently banned, and while I'm gone, the server goes to hell, Denning and Omni are having troubles between each other, and a whole other bout of nonsense springs up. I did my best to keep things together and to at least TRY to support Denning through this.

You may be wondering why I'm so off subject about this; I'm explaining my actions throughout the playing time of the server, the reasons I do things the way I do. I try my best to preserve this server, cause it's the last ww2 rp server that hasn't gone to hell, but that can change incredibly fast if there's nobody to hold it together (though I am not alone, not in the slightest; most of the people on the server have my dms, and I am friends with a lot of them; I get places and things I need fairly easily because of that). I am more respected than I deserve to be, by the staff team, them dealing with my issues all the time.

 

[Jam The Man]

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that is valid reason for a PK this is active dirt threatening a detainment if i didnt follow your order, please keep your PK appeal relevant to the PK, if you have an issue with staff abuse please post evidence in the correct forum, as this isnt the place for it, however in regards to your PK, Ordering an arrest on someone for not following your order, which wouldve led to my death, is active dirt, you acused me of being a terrorist. i couldve died, that is active dirt. So hence the reason of the PK

In terms of you breaking rules such as emote abuse you cant start dancing pull out a gun and kill people that is a breach of server rules as its clear abuse of animations,

in terms of me spawning in weapons. i spawned in ammo, for the big RS event, weapons in the inventory of myself u can check my lockers in my compound for proof.

I dont get special treatment coz im part of the dev team, your PK fro the dirt is completely valid and just, you are lucky you got a soft PK, but i will admit cooke, i shouldnt of done it infront of NPCs at the bank, hence the reason u got a soft PK not a full PK

 

[Waffels]

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that is valid reason for a PK this is active dirt threatening a detainment if i didnt follow your order, please keep your PK appeal relevant to the PK, if you have an issue with staff abuse please post evidence in the correct forum, as this isnt the place for it, however in regards to your PK, Ordering an arrest on someone for not following your order, which wouldve led to my death, is active dirt, you acused me of being a terrorist. i couldve died, that is active dirt. So hence the reason of the PK

In terms of you breaking rules such as emote abuse you cant start dancing pull out a gun and kill people that is a breach of server rules as its clear abuse of animations,

in terms of me spawning in weapons. i spawned in ammo, for the big RS event, weapons in the inventory of myself u can check my lockers in my compound for proof.

I dont get special treatment coz im part of the dev team, your PK fro the dirt is completely valid and just, you are lucky you got a soft PK, but i will admit cooke, i shouldnt of done it infront of NPCs at the bank, hence the reason u got a soft PK not a full PK

first of all, there should be no PK at all; you did it in front of vendors. I would not have been in trouble until after I left the bank, your men could have waited. But they did not.

Next, I won't undermine the value of the soft PK. However, I didn't threaten you with any charges except the implied "running a business illegally". There is no dirt there that is even remotely close to having you killed. You can claim this as much as you want, but I was not going to charge you with anything serious, and there's no evidence of such things you have actually done being used against you. I could easily have decided to have you PK'd via court trial if I so pleased, but I wanted to give you the chance to pack it up instead. Nothing was used as dirt against you, or else the dirt would have lead to you being ARRESTED and TRIALED. Unless you broke fear rp and then died.
The rule you are trying to push against me is the following:

• Being murdered for attempting to use/actively using dirt on another individual [PK]

I did not attempt, let alone actively use ANYTHING against you. I told you that your business had to be shut down in an hour or you'd be DETAINED. If I had any attempt or any demand to use dirt against you, I would have brought an arresting party. The Gauleiter himself was online, and I could have gone to him about your several class 1 felony shenanigans, but I haven't, because I didn't care to use dirt against you. I wanted to be liberal about it, and maybe you would have come back into the DAF later.

Also, your response to YOU breaking NLR: "im not immune im powerful"

Anyways, I believe your entire situation in regards to kidnapping me right in front of the bank should be voided, and my PK should be voided in general. You would not have had me in your reach if your men hadn't kidnapped me by breaking the rules. It is clear in the clip that more people are complaining about you than anyone else at that moment, after a KDF guy also shot you in the face with an M37 prior to the clip being made, I think; your return to the property is a violation of NLR. The guy "Friedrich" in that clip claimed (in chat) to have a clip of you initiating and losing a fight with a KNIFE, trying to SHANK ME.

All in all, you are a massive violator of NLR. The clip you have of me dancing, then pulling out a shotgun and blasting your buddy, then you; led to you proceeding to THREATEN THE SAME PROPERTY WITH A K7 BOMB IN PUBLIC ADVERTISEMENTS, IF I WAS NOT THERE IN FIVE MINUTES. I would say that sounds like powergaming and NLR breaking (All of this is in logs).

This is kind of unrelated, but; personally, I don't trust that you haven't been spawning yourself guns, possibly to use against people like me. I know you've spawned an M1918 machine gun to gun down the NPCs during that one event, but I still find it bothering that you have that kind of power in mix with the in-character rights to screw around like that. ESPECIALLY as a civilian.

Edit: I forgot to mention that I was in first person when I pressed the dance key; it was about a second or half a second ish away from finishing when I pulled out the shotgun and blasted you both in that clip. I could not see if i had finished the dance or not, because I needed to aim.

 

[Jam The Man]

All in all, you are a massive violator of NLR. The clip you have of me dancing, then pulling out a shotgun and blasting your buddy, then you; led to you proceeding to THREATEN THE SAME PROPERTY WITH A K7 BOMB IN PUBLIC ADVERTISEMENTS, IF I WAS NOT THERE IN FIVE MINUTES. I would say that sounds like powergaming and NLR breaking (All of this is in logs).
HOW CAN IT BE NLR IF U LITERALLY ANIMATION ABUSED., ITS TECHNICALLY THE SAME AS RDM

 

[Waffels]

All in all, you are a massive violator of NLR. The clip you have of me dancing, then pulling out a shotgun and blasting your buddy, then you; led to you proceeding to THREATEN THE SAME PROPERTY WITH A K7 BOMB IN PUBLIC ADVERTISEMENTS, IF I WAS NOT THERE IN FIVE MINUTES. I would say that sounds like powergaming and NLR breaking (All of this is in logs).
HOW CAN IT BE NLR IF U LITERALLY ANIMATION ABUSED., ITS TECHNICALLY THE SAME AS RDM

I did not intend to abuse the animation, I thought it would be over by the time I pulled out the shotgun to aim and kill both of you. You would have died just as quickly either way, considering how little time it took to draw and fire upon both of you, leading me to believe neither of you had a chance anyway. One shot to the man with the gun, and one shot to you. Iceman declared it valid, and he took the sit for this incident involving the "animation abuse". He has been Upper Administration.

 

[The Denning]

Okay - both sides will come to an end here.

Waffels, you accepted a 'Soft PK' on the basis that you would not be making an appeal because you have complained for days in OOC and made countless staff tickets around this matter.

The soft PK was merely a name change and taking some of your money.

You accepted this and we agreed on it. You were given a choice.

 

[Waffels]

Okay - both sides will come to an end here.

Waffels, you accepted a 'Soft PK' on the basis that you would not be making an appeal because you have complained for days in OOC and made countless staff tickets around this matter.

The soft PK was merely a name change and taking some of your money.

You accepted this and we agreed on it. You were given a choice.

The clip has been shown to other people, they know the PK is unfair. The only opposing forces would be you and Jam, the one who PK'd me. I served a fairly important role as DAF-Fuhrer, I lost 300,000 RM and a tier 5 membership. You as well as the rest of the server know and acknowledge that the PK was unfair and invalid. I was brought under fear rp in a powergamed situation; right in front of bank vendors.

The only reason why I accepted the soft PK at first was because you put me under pressure, and I had to leave that night as I had to wake up early the next morning. I hadn't been fully sober, because these were the late hours in Eastern Standard Time. Because of this I had forgotten I clipped the initial fear rp. I told you in the bank that they had kidnapped me using powergame but you did not listen, and this made me think I was doomed. However, the appeal here proves very strongly that I was wrongfully PK'd.

Only your pressure has caused a situation like this, and I highly suggest you revert the action. The PK IS, SOLIDLY and proven by clip to be unfair. Peanut has supported this and said he'd look into it, personally. I don't want him involved in the drama, but he is a strong driving force for me to make the PK appeal. Again, at this point the only relevant reason to keep me PK'd is "we had a deal".

A good comparison is a plea deal for 12 years instead of 18, but you are found innocent one year later. Court of appeals exists to fix such a situation, and these forums are indeed the appeals, made to fix wrongs into rights. In this case, I am very much right, the evidence supports it, and I beg that you don't turn this into a matter of "we had a deal, you're staying here". Even if we made a deal, it was STILL found out later that I am in the right. An unwritten deal like this should not matter when there's affirmative evidence involve that is damning to the situation at hand. Please, do not make the court of appeals; a symbol of fixing an injustice, into a "you get what you get and you don't get upset".
I trust the staff team, and you, Denning, to act upon what's fair, and fix what has been unfairly done here.

 

[The Denning]

Waffels aka Cooke E. 'Taupjee' Baker; here is my findings and determination on the information I know and laid out before me as a Root of the server.

1. You had engaged in very dangerous behaviours which put your life at risk of a PK many times, often staff including myself had given you a favourable outcome out of discretion. Maybe this was once too many times.
2. You have used animations to not truly show where your gun was unholstered or aimed in a different incident and killed two people.
3. You falsely believed you were a GO, despite using a Trench Coat with no uniform to indicate so; even then it was determined you were not a GO.
4. The issue of having a NPC in the vacinity of capturing you was a gray issue that I oversaw. I took that into account but also used the Legend rule below:
5. The common sense outcome from this was that it was a valid Dirt and Grief PK. You had options to have guards, you weren't merely doing your job and on the opposite side, they had no other real resort other than to kill you to keep their business and the licence.
6. Separate to the above, you agreed with me that no appeal would be made if I granted you a "Soft" PK which is essentially a name change and a deduction of some money and other things. Despite this agreement, you made the appeal anyway. On this basis alone and even including the above, the outcome is:
   
   DENIED